Why are pro lifers so stupid

Newswire Powered by. Close the menu. Rolling Stone. Log In. To help keep your account secure, please log-in again. You are no longer onsite at your organization. Please log in. The silence I hate most is that of Pro Lifers who have just been informed that their whole cause is anti- their whole cause.

Laws which criminalize abortion cause abortion rates to rise in every country of the world. This is true, not opinion, and evidence based fact.

So if you are pro life then you should want to keep abortions legal throughout pregnancy. Otherwise the rates for abortions and maternal death rates will rise. This should be a no - brainer folks! Please snap out of that Pro life coma and halt your deadly actions before they kill more of both the unborn and women in the U. We currently have one of the lowest abortion rates in the world due to the leniency of our laws.

I know it does not seem to make sense but that is the reality when one examines all global evidence.

The lowest rates were in Northern America, at 17, and Western and Northern Europe—at 16 and 18, respectively. Despite this decline, there is a persistent gap in rates between Eastern and Western Europe 42 vs.

Subregional rates ranged from 31 in Western Africa to 38 in Northern Africa. There has been little if any change in abortion rates in these subregions since — Rates have increased slightly since —, but not by statistically significant amounts.

What I have researched from other appropriate sources agrees with Guttmacher but also indicates the below information on this subject: The World Health Organization Research agrees with the Guttmacher Research. Their results are almost identical. However, neither the W. This is due to the fact that most countries either are lenient on both issues or they are strict on access to both abortion and birth control. We could make some confident speculation, based on the global evidence that does exist, that in countries, currently, where laws are strict for both abortion and birth control or where both are criminalized, that were these countries to loosen up laws on birth control access alone and not on abortion, the abortion rates would come down more, and likely closer to where the Western and developed nations are at.

However, these countries are not necessarily or likely to get quite as low as the western, industrialized, countries since there does exist evidence that the mere difficulty of access to abortion alone lends, especially in certain cases, to higher abortion rates by itself. Unfortunately, in the countries where the laws for abortion become much stricter than in the past, such as may exist in the U. One of the reasons this is true is due to the fact that, in these countries, many women who get pregnant in their later years, 40s or older, often now seek to get an amnio to see if their fetus is healthy.

They can only get this during the late part of the 3rd month or beginning of the fourth month of their pregnancy. With stricter laws, some of these women may decide they don't want to take the chance the fetus is unhealthy or has downs syndrome, and instead may opt to get an early abortion thru more easily, anonymously obtained, although perhaps illegally obtained, abortion pills.

These pills become not an option in later months, and testing would put women in a position to not be able to deny they are pregnant, publicly, if they wait, so this puts the women at risk they could be charged with a crime if abortion becomes illegal.

Please note: I am not suggesting this is right or moral or Christian behavior but only that the reality exist and I personally know quite a few women who would fit this category, today, in the U. Fetuses that have other severe health issues often miscarry, naturally, within the first three - four months of pregnancy as well. The amount of downs fetuses that become born infants are very small amounts even for older women.

This illness is still quite rare overall. This means many women could end up aborting perfectly healthy fetuses, by the thousands, each year, or more, to avoid the possibility of having an unhealthy baby, and this number increases if women already have other children. One way some western countries avoid this issue is that they keep early abortions legal and allow later abortions into the 4th and 5th month if the fetus has tested unhealthy or the woman's life is in real danger if she remains pregnant.

Many married older women think they aren't fertile when they still are and stop taking birth control. Lastly, there is no existing evidence that easy access to abortions, even throughout pregnancy, equates to more abortions, in any country, that has free and easy access to birth control.

The only exception to this seems to be Sweden. Despite Sweden's similarly ease of access to both abortion and birth control and it's offering many of the benefits listed above that other Western European Countries offer, it still has quite a high abortion rate.

However, there is no evidence suggesting that tightening Sweden's existing laws would lower its rate for abortion and doing so would likely only raise it even higher. The evidence we do have seems to indicate, on a global scale, that despite what seems reasonable in theory, i. It just may be that easy access to abortion, and lenient abortion laws, help more to reduce abortion rates than having strict laws against abortion, in any country. Perhaps some morality issues simply cannot be solved by force or threat but must instead be dealt with by respecting the situation of the people involved and helping them out of their place of fear or desperation, with physical and material protections and emotional and spiritual support.

We could do much more perhaps by encouraging a choice for good, and for life, without attempting to control women. We could choose to help women in real ways, instead of trying to corner them into doing the Christian thing. Simcha, thank you so much for your depth of insight. Very few things touch my heart these days, but this article brought me to tears. I want to offer you some encouragement to continue speaking bravely and honestly. The world needs the loving truth you are bringing.

I am sorry for the people who even after reading an article like this are still blinded by their ideologies. I hope we all can continue to move in the direction of meaning together.

Simcha, don't let these folks get you down. This piece was beautifully written and so on the mark. I am Methodist and my husband is Catholic. I don't see everything exactly the way the Catholic church does, but I do admire the way they honor the word of God in being unshakable in their value of life.

Please keep speaking about and encouraging the rejection of this throw away culture we are stuck in. Life matters. Babies deserve better, women deserve better, men deserve better. Families deserve better! Thank you for being vocal about this devastating issue that is plaguing our world, and may our prayers be answered. Simcha, have you wondered whether the statement about "if my mother had had an abortion, I wouldn't have known so it doesn't matter" could be a response to another bit of cultural nonsense?

I hear the statement you reference in response to this statement or a variant : "If you are reading this shirt, thank your mother for not aborting you". Each is a juvenile effort to be casually cool enough to have "serious thoughts" while offending the maximum number of people who disagree with those "serious thoughts". The "pro-life" effort thank your mother for not aborting you is a juvenile way of communicating "I am against abortion".

The pro-choice effort if she had aborted me, I wouldn't have known is a juvenile way of communiucating "My mother's life and choices always belonged to my mother and never to me".

You have premised your argument that "we are trying to persuade ourselves and worse, we are teaching our children that life doesn't matter" on those hyperbolic statements above. Each is reaction to the other and each is as silly, Simcha, as your decision to ground your sweeping assumption on the hyperbolic expression which so offends you. People who get an abortion don't think life doesn't matter. Most women who get abortions are already parents and one reason they get an abortion is because they care so much about the quality of the lives of their already existing children.

Your straw pro-choice women are laughable. And pro-lifers don't own the kingdom of heaven. So, your point is, it's okay to sacrifice the life of a child so the other child ren can have a better life? Isn't that how the Jews came to be seen as less than humanby getting rid of them, everyone else in Nazi Germany would have a better life?

No, sorry. That was revolting in the s and is still revolting today. If this were actually about two children, you would be right. No matter how much pro-life people try to obscure this issue, embryos and fetuses are not the same as actual children. Patti Sheffield-- The Jewish community has asked us not to compare abortion to their Holocaust.

Th Holocaust is unique to them and they find it hurtful and offensive to compare the two. Crystal, here is the thing You may not realize it, but the second we make exceptions to who can or cannot be terminated unborn, terminally ill, certain convicted criminals, disabled children in utero such as those with spina bifida or down dyndrome we cease to value life with a capital "L. There is no room for gray area.

A life, is a life. And if life truly does matter than abortion can never be acceptable. Your source for jobs, books, retreats, and much more. Faith Faith in Focus. Abortion-rights supporters stand on both sides of a street near the Gateway Arch as they take part in a protest in favor of reproductive rights Thursday, May 30, , in St. Joseph Ratzinger says of the kingdom of heaven : It is like a grain of mustard, the tiniest of all seeds.

It is like a leaven, a small quantity in comparison to the whole mass of the dough, yet decisively important for what becomes of the dough. It is compared again and again to the seed that is planted in the field of the world, where it meets various fates—it is pecked up by the birds, or it is suffocated among the thorns, or else it ripens into abundant fruit. Tiny—but not nothing. Even more gruesome methods, such as dilation and extraction or induction abortion, are required in the second and third trimesters, respectively.

Dilation and extraction involves the fetus getting physically ripped apart using a metal clamp and suction. Connecting this to Thomson's analogy, it is absurd to argue that Mary could justifiably disconnect herself from the violinist by sucking his limbs through a tube, or ripping him apart with a clasp. So abortion, at least in the cases where surgery is required, cannot correspond to the disconnecting of the violinist in the original example.

Are we to concede that abortion is acceptable in these circumstances, just as it is morally permissible to pull the plug on the violinist? The answer is still, no. Society widely accepts that parents have a duty to provide the basic necessities for their children. That principle is represented in law, for example, where parents can be held criminally liable for not feeding their kids enough. So why then does the pro-choice position see a moral obligation for a mother to meet the basic needs of her child after birth, but not before?

Perhaps one who is pro-choice might want to pick some point, between conception and birth, where this obligation "kicks in. Obviously the abortion debate is too complex to be solved in a column as short as this. Please send responses to this opinion to letters browndailyherald. Skip to Content , Navigation , or Footer. About Contact Advertise Subscribe. News University News Metro. These bans take away a woman's ability to make important life decision about her health and pregnancy.

As the legislative sessions came to a close, NRLC proudly took credit for helping to enact in 10 states legislation based on their model week ban: in order of enactment Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, North Dakota, and Texas. It is a roadmap for action built on two decades of intentional efforts, each calculated to build success step-by-step. We sprint when we need to and we are marathoners because we must be.

Why would we ask them to review it? Their End Goal: Stop All Abortions for All Women in All Circumstances "To be clear, we should certainly enact and defend any regulation that prevents even a single abortion, but we shouldn't legitimize the practice, at any stage, by saying we're focused on ensuring abortion is a well-regulated industry.

What if we win this case and the law is allowed to take effect, but a loophole is carved? The new status quo would be just as unacceptable. Our goal should remain. And our strategy and arguments should always support that long-term goal, whatever short-term efforts are won or lost.

Pepper Bryars, former press secretary and speechwriter for Alabama Gov. Bob Riley, "Of course we want to close all abortion clinics," AL. I'd like to eliminate abortion starting at conception, not just heartbeat. The difference within the movement is about strategy, not philosophy.